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we are talking with grover norquist. i want to give back to republicans look as if they are absolutely 151 voting against the legislation recommended to them by the speaker. that is without question -- the empirical evidence is complete and finite. that is a division of an order that no one could have contempled the republican party. so where do we go with the debt iling? >> sure. when we have the debt ceiling, the speaker and mitch mcconnell of the senate have both reiterated. if the president wants an increase in the debt ceiling of a trillion dollars as he's going to need every year of the second term, he's going to have to agree to a trillion dollars of ending cuts. this is exactly what happened in 2011 and of the establishment media said the world would end and we have to have tax increases instead of sending restraint. that's not what happened. obama caved, give us the spending restraints. the next fight is one, the republicans have more of an upper hand. lou: it will be interesting to watch and see how that plays
we are talking with grover norquist. i want to give back to republicans look as if they are absolutely 151 voting against the legislation recommended to them by the speaker. that is without question -- the empirical evidence is complete and finite. that is a division of an order that no one could have contempled the republican party. so where do we go with the debt iling? >> sure. when we have the debt ceiling, the speaker and mitch mcconnell of the senate have both reiterated. if the...
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number two, we've got grover norquist versus the gop. and here's what's fascinating. he's been a major player, a huge figure, and yet the push back has been growing. the tide has been swelling. take a look at this montage clip of republicans pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >> he's becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up. >> a pledge you sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. >> i'm going to be the one to determine what a tax increase is. grover norquist is not going to determine what a tax increase is. >> message seems clear. don't fear the grover. that echoes throughout the upper echelons of the gop. >> boehner put tax revenues on the table and we heard nothing from norquist. this is a false drama, manufactured by people like you who can't stand norquist. >> people like me? just because the emperor's wearing no clothes and i th
number two, we've got grover norquist versus the gop. and here's what's fascinating. he's been a major player, a huge figure, and yet the push back has been growing. the tide has been swelling. take a look at this montage clip of republicans pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >>...
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eric: we have to leave it there, grover norquist, thank you. imagine every ship in port for massachusetts to texas shut down, nothing gets in or out. if they don't get their way, will everybody pay? this family used capital one venture miles to come home for the holidays. that's double miles you can actually use... sadly, their brother's white christmas just g "blacked out." [ brother ] but it's the family party! really jingles your bells, doesn't it? my gift to you! the capital one venture ca! for any flight, any time! that's double miles you can actually use! how illuminating. what's in your wallet? let me guess, am on the naughty list again? ho ho ho! >> forget the fiscal cliff. eric: forget the fiscal cliff, what about a container cliff and what that might do to the economy. a a nasty standoff between union workers and the companies could cripple the nation. unless two groups reach a deal, theyun planted strike down plano strike this weekend.if if the strike happened, some reports estimate for a billion dollars per day. >> there's no questi
eric: we have to leave it there, grover norquist, thank you. imagine every ship in port for massachusetts to texas shut down, nothing gets in or out. if they don't get their way, will everybody pay? this family used capital one venture miles to come home for the holidays. that's double miles you can actually use... sadly, their brother's white christmas just g "blacked out." [ brother ] but it's the family party! really jingles your bells, doesn't it? my gift to you! the capital one...
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. >> i want to hear from grover norquist because this logic is fantastic. passed by congress that raises taxes for the higher earners, extends tax cuts for many americans. the president reviewed a copy of the bill while vacationing in hawaii before directing it to be signed via auto pen. that's the signature machine that the presidents sometimes use while away from washington, far from a bipartisan public signing ceremony. look at this. >> it was special. he wanted to capture it. it was special. >> back at the capitol -- >> in wisconsin they were thinking about signing civil rights legislation with his hands, then decided use the auto pen. looks better for the history books. >> on the jetsons. >> there are several major issues -- >> rosie, by the way. >> -- awaiting the president's return including the impending fight over the debt ceiling. >> it's going to be ugly. >> meanwhile, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday where he insisted that republicans who backed the fiscal cliff deal did not, in fact, vote to increase taxes. >> no republic
. >> i want to hear from grover norquist because this logic is fantastic. passed by congress that raises taxes for the higher earners, extends tax cuts for many americans. the president reviewed a copy of the bill while vacationing in hawaii before directing it to be signed via auto pen. that's the signature machine that the presidents sometimes use while away from washington, far from a bipartisan public signing ceremony. look at this. >> it was special. he wanted to capture it. it...
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they cannot cross over theer threshold that has been built by grover norquist. people who are rich, who make a lot of money, they're not opposing the raising of taxes on them. i the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the rich are the republicans who work in this building. so anytime the speaker and thee republican leader come to the president and say we've got a deal for you, the president's door's always open, and mine is too. >> mr. president -- >> the republican leader. >> i would only add the majority leader's given you his view ofwf the last two years. i've certainly given you my take on it. the american people have spokene and they basically voted for the status quo. the president got reelected, the senate's still in democratic sti hands, and the house is still is republican hands. r the more than people haveep spoken. s the american people have spoken. today obviously expect us to come together and to produce a result. as i indicated, the president id called me and probably called po others last night.rs my impression is he w
they cannot cross over theer threshold that has been built by grover norquist. people who are rich, who make a lot of money, they're not opposing the raising of taxes on them. i the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the rich are the republicans who work in this building. so anytime the speaker and thee republican leader come to the president and say we've got a deal for you, the president's door's always open, and mine is too. >> mr. president -- >>...
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the for them to have to but the but of harrison -- we can i get past grover norquist. when there is no revenue that makes it hard. john boehner could not even pass a tax proposal remade where it would keep the taxes for everybody except those making over $1 million a year. they said, no, you cannot do that. i am here and happy to listen to anything necessary. mary history of giving the president aware >> congress has until december 31 to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff, otherwise tax increases and spending cuts go into effect. negotiations between congress and the president could take friday when all four leaders of the house and senate meet with the president at the white house. a look at the countdown to the fiscal cliff, the guest will be a white house honor. home on a ship and the united states with tools author of american the nightmare how neighbor -- america undermines the negotiation nightmare. more from militia and townsman of the u. s economic research surfaced and heron radcliffe. coming up on c-span, a discussion on the history of the new york times. an ex
the for them to have to but the but of harrison -- we can i get past grover norquist. when there is no revenue that makes it hard. john boehner could not even pass a tax proposal remade where it would keep the taxes for everybody except those making over $1 million a year. they said, no, you cannot do that. i am here and happy to listen to anything necessary. mary history of giving the president aware >> congress has until december 31 to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff, otherwise tax...
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i don't care what grover norquist says no they didn't vote for a race. yes, they did. >> for the first time since 1990 republicans have agreed to raise taxes. so yes that is a huge deal. but are we going to be looking at democrats having to make major cuts. >> stephanie: right. yep. >> and the question people have to ask is what is more important, raising taxes on the wealthy? or cutting government spending? well, i think we're going to end up having both and my point is -- i think president obama could have gotten -- raising taxes on the wealthy. i think that's a pretty compelling argument and he could have gotten that without having to agree to cutting government spending. >> stephanie: uh-huh. david the hurricane sandy relief stuff, what i think is striking is that that laid bare as a lot of reasoning pointed out, that the republicans are in complete disarray, and it is things that didn't used to be a partisan issue, right? >> yeah, i think that's right. and the republican does not only have a leadership dysfunction, there are some that say the [ inau
i don't care what grover norquist says no they didn't vote for a race. yes, they did. >> for the first time since 1990 republicans have agreed to raise taxes. so yes that is a huge deal. but are we going to be looking at democrats having to make major cuts. >> stephanie: right. yep. >> and the question people have to ask is what is more important, raising taxes on the wealthy? or cutting government spending? well, i think we're going to end up having both and my point is -- i...
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washington is always messed up. >> grover norquist joining us from washington this morning. >> let's talk about the situation we find ourselves in. and the prospect we could go over the fiscal cliff and what specifically that would mean for the u.s. economy. diana is a former labor department chief economist under george w. bush, and senior fellow at the manhattan institute. here at post 9 in new york is rock johnson u.s. senate banking committee, and now at the institute for new economic thinking and senior fellow at the roosevelt institute. how would you explain what is going on at the moment for people sitting at home worried about what's happening in the new year? >> it's the same old stuff in washington. it's just haggle, haggle, haggle. and they're not addressing the real problems of america, which are jobs, productivity, education, science research, and withering infrastructure. this is appalling, and the american people should watch whatever's happening with a sense of disgust. >> you feel clearly very strongly. >> yes. >> why do you think we've got to this stage? what could
washington is always messed up. >> grover norquist joining us from washington this morning. >> let's talk about the situation we find ourselves in. and the prospect we could go over the fiscal cliff and what specifically that would mean for the u.s. economy. diana is a former labor department chief economist under george w. bush, and senior fellow at the manhattan institute. here at post 9 in new york is rock johnson u.s. senate banking committee, and now at the institute for new...
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a lot of members, too, signed the no tax pledge that many of you know grover norquist pushed around and used as a threat. you better sign the no tax pledge. my radio show launched yesterday and i had grover on because he said it was a win for republicans. though it was a tax increase it wasn't violation of the pledge. listen. >> la of the of these guys signed your penal. how did you lose the guys? they broke your pledge? >> that is what the president is trying to get them to say to vote for tax increase in future. >> it's crystal clear now that republicans can't all be trusted not to raise taxes. i don't see how you tell a guy that his taxes around higher. >> you can't. go to andrea tantaros at twitter. >> bob: fox news alert. november unemployment figure, revised 215. obama recovery is working. one more thing, congratulate speaker john boehner because i think he did show courage in this. republicans are jumping on the guy. tough job to be a speaker. i showed him to be a leader. i give him credit. that will probably hurt him. >> eric: that was two one more things. we usually don't do th
a lot of members, too, signed the no tax pledge that many of you know grover norquist pushed around and used as a threat. you better sign the no tax pledge. my radio show launched yesterday and i had grover on because he said it was a win for republicans. though it was a tax increase it wasn't violation of the pledge. listen. >> la of the of these guys signed your penal. how did you lose the guys? they broke your pledge? >> that is what the president is trying to get them to say to...
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its roots are as old as american politics, but the philosophies main spokesman is this man, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. his pledge signed by almost all republicans in congress forbid signatories from raising taxes ever under any circumstances. things come to ahead in the summer of 2011. they demand they reduce deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. without a deal shs the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. republicans and democrats deploy tactics that shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit raid raiting for the first time in history. in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to a trillion dollars in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across-the-board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect starting january 2013. at the exact moment when the bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would expire. the point is we could have all seen this com
its roots are as old as american politics, but the philosophies main spokesman is this man, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. his pledge signed by almost all republicans in congress forbid signatories from raising taxes ever under any circumstances. things come to ahead in the summer of 2011. they demand they reduce deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. without a deal shs the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. republicans and democrats deploy...
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. >>> the president's reported i get that for free comment not sitting well with grover norquist who joins us now. let met on this other thing, they've known a couple days the president would like likely life hawaii and opped into washington, d.c. and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plana,he ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxe on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the house of representatives and has strong support among republicans in the senate. the alternative is nothing. >> we know that's not going to pass the senate and we also know the white house isn't going to sign that. move on. my contention is after -- >> allow me. >> work with me. it's an important question. let's say president obama says we're going off the f
. >>> the president's reported i get that for free comment not sitting well with grover norquist who joins us now. let met on this other thing, they've known a couple days the president would like likely life hawaii and opped into washington, d.c. and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have...
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. >>> the president's reported i get that for free comment not sitting well with grover norquist who joins us now. let me stay on this other thing, they've known a couple days the president would like likely life hawaii and dropped into washington, d.c. and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plan a, the ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxes on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the house of representatives and has strong support among republicans in the senate. the alternative is nothing. >> we know that's not going to pass the senate and we also know the white house isn't going to sign that. move on. my contention is after -- >> allow me. >> work with me. it's an important question. let's say president obama says we're going
. >>> the president's reported i get that for free comment not sitting well with grover norquist who joins us now. let me stay on this other thing, they've known a couple days the president would like likely life hawaii and dropped into washington, d.c. and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans...
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norquist gives a thumbs up to up? >> i don't think that was the strategy a week ago. i think the speaker was trying to put the deal together, as we've seen the senate not -- i think that may become the strategy. i've always thought they would wait until the last hour, put a band eight on it, but wait until the iii so they can vote for a tax cut makes sense as well. >> marjorie, there will be people on the left looking at this. this is basically a clean late. does the left look at this as a way for the president to stand firm in the fact that in one federal voice he was reelected on taxes going up. so is this going to be palatability to the left if the president is standing firm? >> absolutely. you've seen his numbers have increased since the election and also increased in how people view his handling of the fiscal cliff, while attitudes towards republicans are consistently bad and the blame and disapproval is only growing for them. it's costing them in the polls and at the polls this crisis of leadership, this consist
norquist gives a thumbs up to up? >> i don't think that was the strategy a week ago. i think the speaker was trying to put the deal together, as we've seen the senate not -- i think that may become the strategy. i've always thought they would wait until the last hour, put a band eight on it, but wait until the iii so they can vote for a tax cut makes sense as well. >> marjorie, there will be people on the left looking at this. this is basically a clean late. does the left look at...
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how about if on the democratic side grover norquist had said never cut any spending? i'm going to sign a bill that says never cut and spending. grover norquist, here's a great example, he does not even believe in economic case multipliers. host: gary says -- guest: what's interesting about the last election cycles is we had under president bush and the end, democrats seized control of congress in big numbers. and we had the big democratic sweep with the white house in 2008. 2010, republicans came sweeping back. we've had a pendulum swing, very contractive time period. that's one of the factors. we have seen both sides really dug in because they don't know where the pendulum will swing in the next direction. -- eklection. host: from one of our viewers -- on facebook -- guest: that's right. one of the points she raises is it's easy to look and collectors and say we will just drop 10% of this program and 20% off that program. but when you get down to the individual programs, we're talking state and local police departments, fire departments, teachers' pay, all sorts of p
how about if on the democratic side grover norquist had said never cut any spending? i'm going to sign a bill that says never cut and spending. grover norquist, here's a great example, he does not even believe in economic case multipliers. host: gary says -- guest: what's interesting about the last election cycles is we had under president bush and the end, democrats seized control of congress in big numbers. and we had the big democratic sweep with the white house in 2008. 2010, republicans...
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the truth is, grover norquist is not just a guy. he's a guy who heads a lobby group with very powerful resources. one that uses millions of dollars in funding to get candidates elected and get others defeated. that is not democracy at work. that is lobbying money at work. and pledges like this don't make sense in a dynamic economy. we got to give our elected officials the tools and the leeway to do their jobs properly. and not hamstring them with promises that are made in a vacuum. promises that are made without context. so if members of congress, republicans and in particular, were able to free themselves from norquist's shackles, and take a real look at the merits versus the risks of raising taxes, they would see something interesting. while raising taxes is never ideal, the net effect to the economy of increasing the tax burden only on that portion of one's income that is higher than a quarter of a million dollars, by 4.6 percentage points, would have a negligible effect. that's because the proportion of what you need to spend on
the truth is, grover norquist is not just a guy. he's a guy who heads a lobby group with very powerful resources. one that uses millions of dollars in funding to get candidates elected and get others defeated. that is not democracy at work. that is lobbying money at work. and pledges like this don't make sense in a dynamic economy. we got to give our elected officials the tools and the leeway to do their jobs properly. and not hamstring them with promises that are made in a vacuum. promises...
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he took the grover norquist pledge. he did all the things that were required of a potential republican nominee. but in each of those steps, he made it harder for him to win a general election. and he brought to this some strengths. the other thing that will the president four years ago was that romney was the likely nominee because i believe in the theory of opposites. whoever the incumbent is, people are looking for the brevity, not the replica. and romney would represent a stark difference from obama, a businessman, grounded, not a visionary, not an order for. >> so you thought he would be the nominee. you thought that through the whole entire primary process? >> i had a few moments of doubt, as i suspect he may have. but he got to those moments was to do what i said, to move to the right. with each step, i think he made himself more vulnerable. in the abstract, his profile as a businessman will stay positive, even until the final day. it was the concept of a businessman who knows how to create jobs and so on. that wa
he took the grover norquist pledge. he did all the things that were required of a potential republican nominee. but in each of those steps, he made it harder for him to win a general election. and he brought to this some strengths. the other thing that will the president four years ago was that romney was the likely nominee because i believe in the theory of opposites. whoever the incumbent is, people are looking for the brevity, not the replica. and romney would represent a stark difference...
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he took the grover norquist pledge. he did all the things that were required of a potential republican nominee. but in each of those steps, he made it rder for him to win a general election. and he brought to this some strengths. the other thing that will the president four years ago was that romney was the likely nominee because i believe in the theory of opposites. whoever the incumbent is, people are looking for the brevity, not the replica. and romney would represent a stark difference from obama, a businessman, grounded, t a visionary, not an order for. >> so you thought he would be the nominee. you thought that through the whole entire primary process? >> i had a few moments of doubt, as i suspect he may have. but he got to those moments was to do what i said, to move to the right. with each step, i think he made himself more vulnerable. in the abstract, his profile as a businessman ll stay positive, even until the final day. it was the concept of a businessman who knows how to create jobs and so on. that was thei
he took the grover norquist pledge. he did all the things that were required of a potential republican nominee. but in each of those steps, he made it rder for him to win a general election. and he brought to this some strengths. the other thing that will the president four years ago was that romney was the likely nominee because i believe in the theory of opposites. whoever the incumbent is, people are looking for the brevity, not the replica. and romney would represent a stark difference from...
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you're in favor of raising taxes, you signed grover norquist's pledge to not raise taxes. you're now rebuking. 450 for joint filers being the cuttoff. which classification of earnings you ultimately will see their taxes increase? >> well, lori, it is very difficult to understand where we go from here because i haven't seen the agreement and, when i look at what ply colleagues really objected to and what was referred to as plan. about, it is difficult to understand why this plan is anything other than a worse plan. there aren't any real spending cuts as i see. so i'm going to have to difficult time with it myself but i will wait to make a final decision until i see it. lori: i'm sure. phil swaying he will about, to you now. let's talk about the issue of spending cuts. you raise a wonderful point. there are expenditures exempt from budget cuts. entitlements. interest payments on the national debt. that said we need bigger entitlement reform. this is a big pick you are issue here, any cuts they're negotiating to avoid the cliff they're not meaningful. are you at all optimisti
you're in favor of raising taxes, you signed grover norquist's pledge to not raise taxes. you're now rebuking. 450 for joint filers being the cuttoff. which classification of earnings you ultimately will see their taxes increase? >> well, lori, it is very difficult to understand where we go from here because i haven't seen the agreement and, when i look at what ply colleagues really objected to and what was referred to as plan. about, it is difficult to understand why this plan is...
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the democrats don't have a grover norquist that threat, the caucus if they even think about voting for taxes. i do think the u.s. public has seen the differences between the parties. >> i think a lot of people and certainly a lot of our viewers would agree with you on that. it's not necessarily equal blame right now. congresswoman bass, you have a safe trip back over to washington, d.c. and absolutely good luck over there. and if i don't talk to you again before next week, happy new year to you. >> happy new year to you as well. >> all right. and with an in-depth look at what all this cliff dwelling means, our nation's fiscal health, brian mcguinness is president of the committee for responsible federal budget and head of the fix the debt campaign. and i know this has to just be driving you crazy to be listening to some of these conversations that we have been having this morning. so how disappointing is it to you to hear about a possible small deal that keeps taxes from going up, which is a good thing for all americans maybe next week, but what does that do for this country's long-ter
the democrats don't have a grover norquist that threat, the caucus if they even think about voting for taxes. i do think the u.s. public has seen the differences between the parties. >> i think a lot of people and certainly a lot of our viewers would agree with you on that. it's not necessarily equal blame right now. congresswoman bass, you have a safe trip back over to washington, d.c. and absolutely good luck over there. and if i don't talk to you again before next week, happy new year...
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it doesn't surprise me grover norquist gave ground cover to what some of the house republicans did. it doesn't surprise me that the administration, the vice president, the president did the easy thing. the only thing i think is going to be surprising is how much of a battle that probably gets best record in 6-8 weeks regarding the debt ceiling. there has to be some type of an end game for sanity. i think everything that's happened thus far doesn't surprise me. i guess the most surprising thing i've seen in the last week is why new york fired the general manager instead of the coach. watching politicians all slap each other on the back while the country slips into a grecian like formula isn't surprising. >> are you surprised the market so far in looking at the futures has taken such a positive outlook on this? >> i don't know. to me, the fair value adjustments in the opening is far from a cohuge move in my opinion. here we are a move in the fixed income markets because of the move in stocks. i caution everybody to wait until the close because i think some of the intraday outside nois
it doesn't surprise me grover norquist gave ground cover to what some of the house republicans did. it doesn't surprise me that the administration, the vice president, the president did the easy thing. the only thing i think is going to be surprising is how much of a battle that probably gets best record in 6-8 weeks regarding the debt ceiling. there has to be some type of an end game for sanity. i think everything that's happened thus far doesn't surprise me. i guess the most surprising thing...
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if grover norquist was here, he would say the greatest thing we're able to promise people is no further tax rises. it was the major mistake that bush sr. made when he said read my lips, no new taxes and then broke that pledge. what will you then say at the next election when this issue comes up? >> again, i think i held taxes down to 99% of the people. if it went over the cliff, we would have had to deal with it and then had a tax cut. i think just plain in terms of terminology with each other, but the bottom line, 99% of americans are going to get a tax cut. $730 billion. again, wasn't exactly the way i'd like to see it go down because i'd like to see a spending aspect of it. 49 out of 50 governors, that's what i'm going to push for, but we'll have that spending battle, which is the real issue going forward, but we did bring certainty to some of the tax code. i know a lot of small business people are excited about that. >> it is the real issue, congressman, and it could be the more vitriolic battle on capitol hill. do you feel by siding with the democrats this time around that somehow,
if grover norquist was here, he would say the greatest thing we're able to promise people is no further tax rises. it was the major mistake that bush sr. made when he said read my lips, no new taxes and then broke that pledge. what will you then say at the next election when this issue comes up? >> again, i think i held taxes down to 99% of the people. if it went over the cliff, we would have had to deal with it and then had a tax cut. i think just plain in terms of terminology with each...